User Tools

Site Tools


i_am_a_psychotherapist_ama_03_09_16

Differences

This shows you the differences between two versions of the page.

Link to this comparison view

Next revision
Previous revision
i_am_a_psychotherapist_ama_03_09_16 [2016/11/28 18:53] – created guesti_am_a_psychotherapist_ama_03_09_16 [2016/11/28 19:20] (current) guest
Line 1: Line 1:
-====== I am a psychotherapist, Ask Me Anything ! Manon @ c-base, 03/09/2016 ======+====== I am a psychotherapist, Ask Me Anything ! 03/09/16 =====
  
-===== Are there trainings for first aid/ first respond in mental health? =====+Below is the transcript of an AMA kindly offered by Manon during the Hacking With Care Sessions at @ c-base, on the 03/09/2016. For more information about the event, see: [[HWC Sessions 1st edition at c-base]] 
 + 
 +Links to additional related resources were added after.  
 + 
 +THANK YOU <3 
 + 
 +//Please note: The AMAs by caregivers (psychotherapy, physiotherapy…) are not to be mistaken for individual therapy sessions/consultations, nor should they be considered definitive truth on a given subject. Their primary aims is to break ice on important topics such as physical and mental health, help people get some orientation so as to facilitate one’s pathway/access to care, help identify individual and collective needs in terms of care, meet with caregivers and understand better what they do, further everyone’s knowledge, ignite curiosity…// 
 + 
 +  
 + 
 +===== Are there trainings for first aid/ first response in mental health? =====
  
 I never heard of any. I can get why it’s appealing and could be relieving in some cases. I never heard of any. I can get why it’s appealing and could be relieving in some cases.
Line 7: Line 17:
 Difficulty to sum it up in little knowledge chunks Difficulty to sum it up in little knowledge chunks
 Situations vary so much (from suicidal thoughts to psychotic breaks, burn outs, depression, obsessive compulsive disorder etc.)  Situations vary so much (from suicidal thoughts to psychotic breaks, burn outs, depression, obsessive compulsive disorder etc.) 
-In events like Burning man or CCCongress, you can often see crews walking by pair , their basic mission is to defuse critical situations. +In events like Burning man or CCCongress, you can often see crews walking by pair, their basic mission is to defuse critical situations. 
-You can learn about it  in the HWC doc.+You can learn about it in the HWC doc.
 First of all, whatever the situation and your desire to help: Mind the position from where you stand (is this affecting you, how do you feel when listening…), don’t endanger yourself, mostly listen and validate while staying genuine.  First of all, whatever the situation and your desire to help: Mind the position from where you stand (is this affecting you, how do you feel when listening…), don’t endanger yourself, mostly listen and validate while staying genuine. 
 Also, getting to know yourself - including your own limits! - is the best first thing you can do for others, so you minimize the risk of overstepping for example. Also, getting to know yourself - including your own limits! - is the best first thing you can do for others, so you minimize the risk of overstepping for example.
 +
 +//Additional resources :// 
 +  * [[https://hackingwithcare.in/wiki/doku.php/psychology#crisis_first_aid|Crisis, Mental Health First Aid]]
 +  * [[https://hackingwithcare.in/wiki/doku.php/psychology#psychoactives_harm_reduction|Psychoactives, Psychological Harm Reduction]] 
  
 ===== What are the mental health equivalents to: emt, trauma surgeon, epidemiologist? ===== ===== What are the mental health equivalents to: emt, trauma surgeon, epidemiologist? =====
Line 24: Line 38:
 It can obviously trigger some mental issues or make some gloom re-emerge. It can obviously trigger some mental issues or make some gloom re-emerge.
 We can never really trust ourself with this because one of the effect is the twisting of our self image. It is better to rely upon others for this evaluation (i.e "do you think my consumption changed since last year?", "would you say I’m different when I drink?") , and to be available to them as well. We can never really trust ourself with this because one of the effect is the twisting of our self image. It is better to rely upon others for this evaluation (i.e "do you think my consumption changed since last year?", "would you say I’m different when I drink?") , and to be available to them as well.
 +
 +//See also:// 
 +
 +  * [[alcohol_coffee_and_cigarettes|Alcohol, coffee, cigarettes]]
  
 ===== Would you say one could use pick-up artistry/NLP for a good cause? ===== ===== Would you say one could use pick-up artistry/NLP for a good cause? =====
  
 The hacker point of view would be that a tool is a tool, and only the use of it counts, even though it can be scary to imagine these areas of expertise used for something like manipulating or denying one’s consent. If you think of the CIA and other agencies, we know some psychologists work with them, including to cook very dirty tricks([[http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/12/psychologists_role_in_the_cia_s_torture_why_these_medical_professionals.html|Psychologists role in CIA's Torture, Slate article]])  The hacker point of view would be that a tool is a tool, and only the use of it counts, even though it can be scary to imagine these areas of expertise used for something like manipulating or denying one’s consent. If you think of the CIA and other agencies, we know some psychologists work with them, including to cook very dirty tricks([[http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/12/psychologists_role_in_the_cia_s_torture_why_these_medical_professionals.html|Psychologists role in CIA's Torture, Slate article]]) 
 +
 +//See also :// [[https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2069718/report.pdf|All the President's psychologists]] 
  
 I’m sure someone could use it combined with other skills (a weak SuperEgo and a general lack of empathy would help as well). I’m certain one shouldn’t. I’m sure someone could use it combined with other skills (a weak SuperEgo and a general lack of empathy would help as well). I’m certain one shouldn’t.
Line 45: Line 65:
 Toxic for whom? Who needs help in this situation? Toxic for whom? Who needs help in this situation?
 Let’s not merge too rapidly "Toxic people" and toxic dynamic in a group. Let’s not merge too rapidly "Toxic people" and toxic dynamic in a group.
-→ Someone recommands a zine called The broken teapot.+ 
 +→ Someone recommends a zine called [[http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-the-broken-teapot|The Broken Teapot]] 
 → No need to say "your behavior is bad", to interpret it, just state facts, "This is happening for me, I feel like that". → No need to say "your behavior is bad", to interpret it, just state facts, "This is happening for me, I feel like that".
-→ Groups need to distance themselves from some conflictless fantasy of itself, of the functioning of the group. I know it is hard, but it’s also very healthy and rewarding: all the energy we put in avoiding conflicts and slow-cooking them, we could invest a part in navigating among our frustrations and disagreements, like a muscle, learning how to live with it, and realizing how beautiful it is to see when the group survives to it, because most of the time it will. It is thinking it will be destroyed at any verbalization of a different voice thatis going to effectively erase it. + 
-→ Maybe the more effective with thoses tricky situations is to deflect energy from the diagnosis or the exclusion of someone to the actual care of people suffering around that "toxic person" (unless of course some abusive behavior has  emerged and has been validated by the majority of the group, but that’s a different issue)+→ Groups need to distance themselves from some conflict-less fantasy of itself, of the functioning of the group. I know it is hard, but it’s also very healthy and rewarding: all the energy we put in avoiding conflicts and slow-cooking them, we could invest a part in navigating among our frustrations and disagreements, like a muscle, learning how to live with it, and realizing how beautiful it is to see when the group survives to it, because most of the time it will. It is thinking it will be destroyed at any verbalization of a different voice that is going to effectively erase it. 
 + 
 +→ Maybe the more effective with those tricky situations is to deflect energy from the diagnosis or the exclusion of someone to the actual care of people suffering around that "toxic person" (unless of course some abusive behavior has emerged and has been validated by the majority of the group, but that’s a different issue)
  
 ===== How to make people realize that it's ok to take a break, to rest, when they feel like the world would stop spinning if they do? =====  ===== How to make people realize that it's ok to take a break, to rest, when they feel like the world would stop spinning if they do? ===== 
Line 54: Line 78:
 → This idea of world on their shoulders, where does it come from, what is it supporting in their psyche? → This idea of world on their shoulders, where does it come from, what is it supporting in their psyche?
 "It’s ok, I’ll collapse tomorrow" "It’s ok, I’ll collapse tomorrow"
 +
 People who got better can reach out, describe the signs that paved their way into burn out (elders in symptoms, not in age). People who got better can reach out, describe the signs that paved their way into burn out (elders in symptoms, not in age).
 +
 →Why breaks can be scary:  →Why breaks can be scary: 
 +
 You saw people crippled by depression in family for example You saw people crippled by depression in family for example
 You have to face your own shit You have to face your own shit
Line 61: Line 88:
  
 Defusing delicately the emphasized idea of the self, with a lot of positive reinforcement and no complaisance with the symptoms. Defusing delicately the emphasized idea of the self, with a lot of positive reinforcement and no complaisance with the symptoms.
 +
 +//Additional Resources :// 
 +
 +  * [[care_in_context_of_activism|Care in context of Activism]]
  
 ===== How do "perverse narcissists" behave in multiple relationships, and what type of help do they need? ===== ===== How do "perverse narcissists" behave in multiple relationships, and what type of help do they need? =====
Line 74: Line 105:
 Someone mentions Towards transformative justice by generation five Someone mentions Towards transformative justice by generation five
 http://www.generationfive.org/ http://www.generationfive.org/
 +[[http://www.generationfive.org/resources/transformative-justice-documents/|Transformative Justice Documents]]
 +
 +
  
  
i_am_a_psychotherapist_ama_03_09_16.1480355600.txt.gz · Last modified: 2016/11/28 18:53 by guest